Monday, August 9, 2010

Time for a divorce, indeed

Sometimes, doing what is fair or decent or even nice isn't what is right or proper. Sometimes, to do what is right, you have to look beyond your own prejudices and beliefs and micro-systems and look at the system from a macro level. bub

It's a testament to your ability to reason that you take a position antithetical (Position A) to your own actual position (Position B) because you believe that while Position B is the nice and fair outcome, you realize that Position A is proper under the circumstances.

Sometimes, many times even, Position A and Position B are the same position. Women and African Americans should have the right to vote. Legislation ensuring those rights fulfilled both the "fair" outcome that you root for (Position B) as well as the "proper" one (Position A).

On to the point of the post: I've often been at odds with myself because I strongly believe that the fair, nice and decent thing to do is to allow gay marriage. If its going to have to be a legislative action, then to that extent I strongly support legislation raising gay marriage to the level of hetero marriage.

On the other hand, I can't wrap my mind around how its a constitutional issue (though the courts don't seem to agree with me). As I see it, the constitution doesn't guarantee marriage at all. I don't see that anywhere in there. Nobody else does either, apparently, because its not argued as a point. I don't see the "victories" in the court cases as all that good a thing, because while Position A B wins, I fear Position B A loses. In the long run, Position B A is much more important. Every time Position A B irrationally wins over Position B A, the system becomes that much more contorted. Anyway, back to the issue at hand.

Rather than argue that gay marriage is constitutional in and of itself, people argue that the "equal protection" clause requires that a gay individual be allowed to marry another gay individual. But that "gay" man/woman already has the right to marry another woman/man, just like a heterosexual does. To me, extending it like that necassarily leads to all kinds of problems. Like, where do you stop the progression? What about bestiality? What about incest? What about pedophilia? What about polygomy.

While we are on the topic, what about polygomy? Because, under the above formulation (equal protection), I'm not sure how you argue against it. All the evidence (i.e. - divorce rate, broken marriages, cheating spouses) suggests that monogomy doesn't work that well. Its rare in nature (and apparently humans), as well. I'm actually OK with that outcome, but its still not an argument I'd make to reach that outcome (there is the Position A/B thing, see, it does all come around). And I used the easy example, because the arguments against polygomy are pretty weak. The harder core situations I mentioned above become very iffy using the equal protection logic. There is a group called NMBLA (or some such) that supports and promotes man-boy love. Its a lifestyle choice and natural, they argue. Aren't they entitled to equal protection?

That leads me to the point of my post: All this could be avoided if we divorced the state from the marriage business. As the article points out, if we didn't have "state sponsored" marriage, two individuals (or more) could sign a contract with whatever (probably mostly standardized) terms they agreed too, call it whatever they wanted, and be on their marry way. Call it marriage, call its a union, hell, call it a balzag (well, don't call it that).

Instead, we have small/minority two groups trying to push what they think the outcome should be onto the rest of us. One wants marriage limited, the other wants it to extend to gays (but, apparently not to polygomists, based on the legislation and court arguments). That's just two groups that currently have power trying to enforce their will.

There is a better way: remove the ability to "enforce" the will of anyone. Get the government out of the marriage business.

UPDATE: Think of the Position A/Position B thing like a tower. Sure, you can probably build a really tall tower quickly, but you want to make sure its on solid foundation and well built, otherwise it all comes tumbling down at the smallest shift in the ground. I'd rather forgo the really tall tower, and slowly build a well-built tower. It might take me years to get where you'll be in a couple months, but 10 years from now, my tower will be around; will yours?

2 comments:

  1. I really hate when people say "well if we allow gay marriage..what's to stop me from marrying my dog?"

    Two men in a relationship are cognizant and capable of saying yes or no to the relationship. A dog or child is not. The line is crossed when the relationship involves one party who is not capable of appropriately making the decision of what a healthy relationship is (or that they are in a relationship at all). So animals and children are out. Laws should be around to protect (and animals), and that's what they'd do in that case. Stopping gays from marrying isn't really protecting anyone, is it?

    Also, I have no issue with polygamy being legal. Sure, I can't understand it, but if everyone is happy in the marriage, why not? Who says you can only love one person? I suppose the same goes for incest (as long as both parties are of appropriate age). I'd have to put more thought into it though.

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  2. Well, there are plenty of things that are "dangerous" that we don't protect people from with laws, And probably for good reason.

    On the other hand, there are plenty of stupid things we "protect" people from that aren't "dangerous," just out of favor.

    Under your logic, what prevents us from banning motorcycles, cigarettes, cigars and alcohol? People probably need protection from at least three of the four, and maybe all four.

    The "protection" argument is the one that has us banning marijuana but allowing cigarettes, and (until recently) applying a 35 times more harsh penalty on crack than cocaine (the same product, only one is smoked and one is inhaled - oh, and one is favored by poorer, black communities, and one by white, rich clients).

    Oh, and the "protection" argument is EXACTLY what the anti-gay marriage crowd claims. That's why the bills are always entitled the "protection of marriage/family" act. I don't agree with them, but that doesn't make their argument invalid.

    I think that taking your "cognizant and capable" logic and removing the "protection" argument is essentially what I and the Reason article want: Make it a contractual agreement. Then there is no need for the messy, slippery slope of the "protection" argument at all. "Protection" simply means that whoever is in power gets to protect whoever they want.

    Last point: incest is odd, creepy and grosses me out, but I'd be willing to support its legalization for as close as first cousins, based on the studies I've seen. Siblings share too much DNA, so not so much. Just because its not something I'd personally do or that I find icky doesn't mean I won't support it, no matter what kind of crowd it puts me in (the Position A/Position B thing again).

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